Thrustmaster T.16000M Space Sim Duo Stick (Hosas System, T.A.R.G.E.T Software, PC)

This is one of the best stick + throttle combo I’ve ever bought. There are certainly more expensive HOTAS products out there that depend on you having rudder pedals, but of course not all of us have the floorspace to accommodate that. What I love about this product is that the “rocker” on the throttle is a very smooth & well-engineered solution for having no rudder pedals. It is surprisingly easy to control the rocker with the index and 4th fingers. Clearly a very well thought-out product which overall feels sturdy and built to last.

My only gripe is that there are some button placements and surfaces that feel like Thrustmaster have tried to be a bit too clever (which is typical of them), but IMO this is easy-enough to adapt to once muscle-memory kicks in.

My old, much loved, Thrustmaster T.Flight HOTAS controls had seen better days and I decide it was time to buy a new controller. There are a number of more expensive controllers that replicate real aircraft flight controls on the market, but for sheer flexibility and selection of inputs the T16000M FCS HOTAS is hard to beat and much better value. The Hall effect transducers on the joystick and throttle axes give you accuracy and reliability and there are numerous additional control inputs included. The throttle unit has a mini joystick, two additional control axes (one spring loaded to centre, the other stays where it’s put), an eight way POV hat switch, two four way switches (ideal for trim controls), one two way switch, and three buttons. The joystick also has a twist axis, a slider axis, an eight way POV hat switch and sixteen buttons. All these additional inputs are HOTAS (Hands On Throttle And Stick) except for the twelve buttons on the joystick base and the joystick slider axis.

Although made entirely of plastic it has a quality feel. Everything works smoothly and precisely. The joystick centring springs have a nice weight to them (not as heavy as a real Airbus sidestick but you can’t have everything). The only, very minor, criticism I have is the lack of a thumb trigger and a pinkie switch on the joystick. They would have been very useful.

There is an utterly useless amber light that illuminates the base of the joystick whenever it is deflected from centre. Why did Thrustmaster think this was necessary or even useful? Annoyingly you can’t disable it. I found a video on youtube which shows you which wire to cut to disable it, but I decided against doing that (it would certainly void the warranty). As it turns out the light isn’t as annoying as I thought it would be, though I’d still disable it if that was a user option. In a similar vein, the joystick trigger is made of translucent amber plastic. All this does is make the joystick look like a toy, which is a shame.

In summary, this pair of controllers is high quality, well specified and excellent value for money. Highly recommended.

Fun and uniquely cool way to pilot in flight simulators. Not quite as smooth action as I’d like but not bad for the price.

Thrustmaster T.16000 … such an improvement over my (20 years?) old joystick. True, that was one of the ‘force-feedback’ variety, which was fun, but this is perfectly adequate for an average user like me. High spec home pilots may look for something more of course. But perfect for me, using MSFS without other hardware equipment: very sensitive and true – the 16,000 separate Hall-effect-sensor detected points on each axis make for a smooth and sensitive response. Recommended.

I bought these for getting into space flight games, and almost went with more expensive sticks but decided to be good and stick to my budget.

I’m very glad I did, these sticks are exactly what I wanted!
Initially I thought they not be good quality because of the price compared to other joystick sets but I’m very happy with them so far.

They are made of plastic, and have a good weight to them so don’t feel cheap.
There are plenty of buttons, sliders and other inputs so you’re not short of controls.

As for feel, they are robust so far, and responsive. I’ve been using them for a few weeks so I’ll have to see how they hold up long term, but I’m fairly confident they should last well.

Software wise, you can download the Target software from their website, although the games I’ve played (Star Citizen and Elite) haven’t needed it as they recognised the sticks fine.

The one criticism I have is the base buttons could do with a little more obvious identification on the button so you can more easily find the right ones without looking.
Don’t get me wrong, they do have indents and ridges to help, but they kind of blend together, to me at least.
That said, that’s a minor niggle and just really takes practice to get the motor functions down.

All in all, a great set of sticks at a bargain price!

Arrived a day earlier than expected, but still had to wait about 7 days from ordering ( came from France to UK – kept in touch with seller who was extremely helpful – thank you ). Unboxed and connected joystick and throttle to a 4 USB 3rd gen ‘gang’, bought separately but advertised to go with this package on Amazon at the bottom of the seller’s advert for an extra cost, the rudder pedal’s RJ12 connector fits into the throttle body, which has it’s own USB connector ( all 3rd gen ). Read the leaflets ( 1 for each controller – joystick – throttle – rudder / pedals ), went to Thrustmaster’s website and downloaded manuals and drivers and calibration software easily – couldn’t wait so took a Cessna 172P training aircraft for a little ‘taxi’ on the tarmac ( I’m really new to Flightgear 2021 ), and all was well except for the rudder / pedals – found another driver ‘all-in’ software pack on the Thrustmaster website and downloaded that too. So far all is well and looking forward to learning to fly ! ( The last time I looked the package was 20 cheaper – during the Covid pandemic prices went up – everyone sheltering from Covid wanted to learn to fly so prices went up as the bundle became scarce I believe – so should be a little cheaper now. If you get this bundle YouTube has plenty of videos reviewing the bundle – and I can’t argue with anything I came across so far – Happy Days !! Overall, pleased with the experience and taking to the skies soon hopefully ! Simulator bought for this was Flightgear 2021 – 6 disk pack – World scenery – Over 50 aircrafts including a helicopter or two – Tutorial disk with vocal instructions – Many World airports. Patience is the key to learning to fly with Flightgear – A flight simulator many flight trainees use on PC which is more real World experience including air traffic controller vocals – more a starter to real flying than a game for shooting things so beware. Can be intensive, but, if you want to get very close to the real thing Flightgear’s right up your alley for this bundle. Finally, Flightgear does use up quite a heavy amount of PC resources, so consider something more like a good flying game if all you want to use this bundle for is to just get into the skies and shoot down an enemy with this flight controller kit. Flightgear uses openGL settings and a graphics card similar to Nvidia GeForce 1050 Ti GTX which is what I have, and a CPU starting around 3300- 3600 MHz. Find out all you can before buying a flight sim to use with this kit. All in all pleased. 4 Stars for now simply because there is better out there but is so much more expensive. This a great ‘middle of the road’ piece of kit. ( This meets my budget, and first-time learning to fly experience with Flightgear 2021 ! ) Good luck ! UPDATE: Having tried to get the Thrusmaster T16000m fcs running with Flightgear, I’ve since had to get a Thrustmaster T.RJ12 USB ADAPTER for the pedal’s T.RJ12 connector, which doesn’t register in Flightgear if plugged into the throttle female T.RJ12 connector, and a USB 3.0 HUB to accommodate 3 USB 3.0 connectors, ( 1 for the joystick, and throttle and pedals ). You will also have to at some point learn .XML or HTML language for the odd programming and script writing to be able to change some settings ! Having said all of that…I wanted Flightgear for the helicopter tutorials and I’m going to stubbornly continue my quest ! p.s. If you prefer to get a Microsoft Flight Sim’ be very well aware of what you will need, and whether the version you get for this Thrustmaster package has been discontinued. And if you think it’s all hard work, I’ve seen some cracking flight simulator rigs that have taken over the lives and provide a lot of entertainment for some !! A labour of love ! Good luck !

I don’t consider myself a hardcore player of flight sims and flight combat sims but I do find them very fun to play so I got the HOTAS for a better experience.

It is very worth it, you will not go back to a controller or a KB-M set up anytime soon if you get it.

I’ve been using this for a few months now. I use it for Elite Dangerous and X-Plane 11 and it works a treat. It is a completely plastic construction and feels very light. Dispute this it sits nicely on a desk and doesn’t move around under heavy use.

The resistance on the stick is just about right, not too strong but not too light.

The trigger is VERY plastic and feels quite flimsy but I haven’t had any issues with it yet. I would prefer much more tactile feedback from it and a more firm click but for the price it’s ok. The other buttons on the stick are also a bit too soft and again could do with a much for tactile feedback to confirm presses. Again I’ve had no issues with missed button presses or anything I just think it would add to the feeling of quality.

The size and ergonomics of the stick are good. It’s comfortable to use for long sessions. Issue I’m having with mine is that the hand rest at the bottom is loose and doesn’t seem to be possible to tighten it. You can change the right hand setup to a left hand I’ve with included changeable rests.

The throttle is very nice. The buttons here feel very different to the stick buttons and the many, many hats are also really good a nice feeling. It’s weird why they feel so different to one another.

Issue with the throttle is the slide. At the standard setting it becomes sticky very quickly. This isn’t because of the lube used on the throttle but the resistance they have set. When you get the throttle push it all the way forward and on the bottom there will be a screw revealed which will allow you to increase or reduce the resistance of the throttle. With a little bit of fiddling I got it to feel far less sticky and to my liking.

Throttle is quite big but all buttons and hats are easily reached.

I really recommend this throttle if you want to get into flying. It’s versatile enough to be used with various sims and feels like it could last a good amount of time.

These are for the determined player! The magnetic sensor they use does not wear out like a potentiometer. So while these are expensive the sensor will be consistent over the entire life of the product. I have used these for years and eventually the ball joint just becomes sloppy. Ordinary joysticks fail very quickly because the potentiometer wears out. These just go on forever. My one tiny complain is the switches could be higher quality, but ah well…
By the way, these are in fact just two joysticks that are the same. They even supply the parts to convert from right to left and left to right handed for both of them. The set just represents a saving over buying two separate joysticks.
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Unfortunately, in recent years the price of these have just gone through the roof. When I first started buying the single joysticks they were 25 each. When I bought recently bought the pair, they were 90 a pair. Now they are about 200 the pair. This is just insanity. That’s 400% in about ten years, most of it in the last year.

Sticks are very easy to setup and use although the associated software itself (T.A.R.G.E.T) could do with some minor improvements for when you need to use the sticks in a more specialised way. I personally use them for playing Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen for which they are extremely suited for. They feel very ergonomic in the hand although depending on the set up of your desk and position of your computer relative to your play srea you may find the USB cables to be a little short.which is an issue I currently have with the left stick but this can be solved with a good quality extension cable.

I would definitely recommend these as a cost effective entry point to dual stick play or joysticks in general when purchasing the single unit or HOTAS version. I have not yet purchased the pedals but definitely plan on doing so and would recommend it to anyone looming to enhance their experience with these sticks just thst little bit more.

First off I’ve previously had the X52 HOTAS. That has a superior joystick with two hats and several buttons in easy reach. Sadly that unit didn’t have the best quality Throttle it should have been so I’ve had to upgrade and decided to go for the T-1600M.

Getting used to the layout of the throttle unit didn’t take long at all – the rudder like paddle switch is also very interesting and at one point I was using it as a gear changer before I obtained the G29 steering wheel. Because the throttle is on a slider with ample space in front of it, placement on a computer desk is absolutely fine for both – ideally depending on your desk you may want to keep them in reach as you lean back slightly, however functionally the Throttle nor the Joystick didn’t disappoint.

The Joystick base has twelve buttons on the base. I don’t know why or how useful they are especially in the heat of a dogfight situation, you really don’t want to take your hand off the stick and depending what’s mapped to the throttle that too may be inconvenient. I guess if you aren’t in keyboard or MFD panel range then they are optional plan B button layouts. I wouldn’t like to try to find them if I were to be wearing a VR headset.

If this throttle was compatible with the X52 Stick it would be an amazing set up.

Trs bon produit surtout pour commencer les Space sim (Star Citizen). Prise en main facile et rapide, aucun regret, aucun jeu dans les poignets contrairement au stick entre de gamme de Logitech (ne PAS prendre). On regrette un peu le faible nombre de boutons/chapeaux sur les sticks mais Voice Attack est un bon remde de remplacement (commandes vocales programmables)

Fr LS17 in der Forstwirtschaft ein absolutes Highlight! Wird als zwei Joysticks erkannt und funktioniert einwandfrei. Von mir eine klare Empfehlung

So I bought this since I wanted some rudder pedals, and then I liked the idea of a separate throttle from the joystick, and I needed the joystick, so I bought the whole shebang.

The joystick has single-device capability, meaning you don’t require either the extra throttle or the pedals to be able to get full functionality. It has typical X and Y axis, as well as rotation for rudder, and a slider for throttle. It has 12 buttons in total, 6 each side of the base, and 3 on the top of the column with the POV switch. When I initially bought this I was looking into the possibility of using it left handed when flying airbus aircraft, and when it came I immediately saw the thumbrest on the left side of it, implying it wasn’t ambidextrous. Upon further inspection of the box, it also comes with left-handed versions, or if you want to, it also comes with another non-rest cover, meaning it can be used without any rest for your thumb. This is very nice with flight simmjng because I’m used to an 8-bit input from my Saitek F.L.Y.5, which got grubby and the pots became very dirty, preventing it from working. That joystick also had a difficult spring, which was difficult because you’d either move too Mich or too little – with no in-between, meaning when flying some aircraft, I’d be rolling down the runway at takeoff speed, gently pull back and all of a sudden I’m nosed up 15, with the stall siren active. With this joystick there’s none of that – fluid motion, so much so that you can see the slight inputs that it makes when you’re just holding the joystick in place – its not massively noticeable, but its like the natural sort of input you’d expect from the real aircraft.

As for the separate throttle, it has 3 axis, a rocker switch, 3 hat switches and 3 buttons, as well as a controller joystick by your index finger. I’d prefer that by your thumb, however its easy to avoid accidentally moving it using your index finger, since the throttle is pretty big, even for my hands, which are quite big. The throttle movement is very fluid, however it’s not adjustable in terms of friction. The other axis include a rocker-styled axis, its like a guard on a sword in terms of placement, and could be used for wheel steering or rudder – depending on whatever usage you want, and the last axis is on the far left of the throttle itself, almost like a trim wheel, however it is very limited in motion, possibly 90. 2 buttons are also in weird places, one is likely to be hit with your pinky, and the other is likely to be hit with either middle or ring finger. The third button is just below the 3 hat switches. Out of the hat switches, the top is programmed as an actual had switch, whilst the other 2 have independent control, meaning they’re more like d-pads in terms of programming.

The rudder pedals were a bit weird to begin with, since I used to use steering wheel pedals to control myself when on the ground. This caused a little bit of a problem since I’m not moving my foot forwards or backwards like on rudder pedals, so I either keep braking or turning the wrong way! Again, the axis itself is not adjustable in friction, however it is still very fluid just like the rest of the set. The brakes are set via individual axis meaning you have 2 axis for brakes and then the rudder axis itself. Not much to say other than its very nice now being able to brake using the proper motion!

Out of the whole set, I have it running in Star Citizen, Elite Dangerous and FSX/P3D and it works wonderfully in all of them. I very much enjoy being able to finally do away with having to move my hand constantly between either throttle or joystick onto the keyboard to be able to do certain things. Overall the plastic is very premium, and the joystick set as a whole feels solid, and so far has been worth every penny. I only wish that my Saitek Cessna proflight yoke/throttle was up to this standard.

In terms of gripes, my only improvements I could put forward to Thrustnaster is to move the joystick ob the throttle to where your thumb is, and either put more buttons where the joystick is currently, or place another rocker switch there. I would then do away with the dedicated hat-switch since the joystick will replace it, and keep the other d-pad hat-switches there. I would then add more buttons behind the throttle (like where the screen is on the X52 joystick) and remove many of the buttons below on the base of the joystick since they are less likely to be used. At the top of the joystick column, I miss the rotating wheel on my F.L.Y.5 joystick, since I had used it for elevator trim. I’m not sure I would add friction adjustments capabilities to the throttle; however I would consider it on the pedals. The only other niggle is that the pedals I’d have thought would be USB with the throttle plugging into the joystick, and joystick plugging in via USB. The joystick and throttle plug in via USB, and an adapter can be bought for the pedals for it to plug in via USB. The pedals plug into the throttle, which is a very odd choice.

I haven’t attempted tightening any screws on the pedals so it could just be a loose screw, however the pedals to rotate ever so slightly, enough for me to hear 2-3 bumps if you get comfy in your seat with your feet resting on them.

Other than the fact that some things are in what I’d call less than ideal places, I have had no problems. There are some minor niggles, but its nothing that has caused me frustration.

I’ve been using a cyborg gold joystick for over 10 years, this review is based on my comparison to that.

Pros:
Easy to change to left handed and back if needed. Only 2 screws to do so.
The joystick movement has a fair amount of resistance but it does scream quality.
No dead zone, it centres perfect every time.
Smooth movement, you feel in control with even the smallest of movements.
Fairly heavy, so stays well planted on the desk. Worst case, there are two screw points underneath if you need them.
Easy setup.

Cons:
The buttons feel soft, not a very positive click
The sick is a little oversized IMO. I’m a medium to large glove size and i feel my hands are on the small side for this stick. It’s not unusable, just doesn’t feel quite right.
When you move the stick the base lights up. After 3 seconds of being 100% centred, the light goes out, but comes back on when moved again. I’m finding this distracting. Great for checking if the stick is working correctly but with no option to turn this light off, i had to drop a star from my rating. There are videos online that show you how and which wire to cut to stop this but that will invalidate your warranty. I will cut mine as soon as the warranty has ended.

Only thing i haven’t mentioned so far is the slide throttle. Shame it’s not a rotational throttle like on my cyborg gold, but for a slide throttle, it does its job and feels fine.

My reason for getting this one is that it is the only quality left handed joystick on the market at the moment IMO

Not had it very long, but it feels solid. The sensitivity and deadzones are really good. A bit more mass in the base of the flight stick would be nice (or I suppose softer spring) as its possible to shift and tip the base around a bit. Would also be nice to have a little springloaded click on the throttle travel for normal throttle vs afterburners or forward vs reverse thrust.

Only other complaint from me is that its designed for people with much smaller hands and feet than mine. It suits most people just fine out the box I don’t doubt as I am XL or larger gloves, and UK size 14 (I think) feet. I’ve modded mine to make it work for me – some cloth backed duck tape between the removable thumb rest (its removeable for amidexterous use) covered in sugru to pad it out. And the heel rest on the pedals unscrews easily so I just took it off and it works fine without for me.