Purchased on March 11th 2022 directly from Amazon and fortunately it is the version with all 3 games on disc, not needing any mandatory download to play them all.
Besides running the disc to check it, this “complete” reprint can be differentiated from the “incomplete” one by the added Crash Team Racing insert and by the “2019” after the copyright symbol on the disc.
When this released in 2018 , many fans were upset that only 1 game on the disc and you had to download the other two.
Luckily if you buy the game new nowadays , there’s a fair chance you’ll get a copy of the game with all 3 games on the Disc !!!
At some point in 2019 there was a reissue of the game , with all 3 games on the disc.
Unfortunately you probably won’t know which version until you open the box , because both versions use the exact same box art.
The older retail disc version will have 2018 printed on the disc. The newer one will have 2019 printed on the disc.
Regardless of which one you get , both come in the exactly the same box which has 2018 printed on it.
Another way to find out if not buying this online, is that the 2019 disc comes with a leaflet advertising Crash Bandicoot Racing inside the box too. So you might hear a piece of paper rattling around if you shake the box gently.
Also I have heard the 2019 discs definitely come in the Crash Racing and Spyro Trilogy double bundle pack box , which is quite hard to find right now.
I bought the Spyro Trilogy recently directly from Amazon brand new and was in luck and received a newer stock version which had the 2019 disc in it. When I installed the game , all 3 games were installed within half an hour of running the disc (36GB) and I was not prompted for a download of any kind on the PS4 console.
Hopefully most of the current stock in most video game retailers contain the 2019 disc version. Avoid the 2018 disc version if you want to void downloading th other two Spyro Games. Good luck if you find one.
Amazing remaster of the originals, very authentically done without changing any of the core mechanics. Whether you played the originals or not I would highly recommend.
I was so pleased when I heard they were going to re-release the Spyro trilogy. I bought this game before I got a PS4.
I now have a PS4 and I just love the game. Brilliant!
First of all, I haven’t played the original games, so there is nothing nostalgic about this review. The games are fun to play, look great and have interesting and funny characters in each one of them. However, some things could have been better. First real issue is those annoying flight levels. Bot only the controls are quite bad, you can’t change them, so the dragon handles like an airplane which makes sense from one point of view, but after you face the same in the water – you’ll learn to hate this part of the game. And if these controls don’t bother you, time limit you have on each such level will – sometimes you have less than a second left when you do the last thing on such level even when your flight was flawless. Then there are some bosses which are quite tough to beat and lack of checkpoints makes it not enjoyable part of the game too. One boss was so annoying that I haven’t finished the 2nd game (platinumed the 3rd one though). But overall all 3 games are nice despite the mentioned drawbacks.
Preordered as I was so excited to play this classic! Arrived on release day brand new wrapped and perfect condition! Soon as it arrived had it on and playing for hours! Well worth a buy if you love Spyro!
Apart from a minigame on a PS1 demo disc, I hadn’t played any of the Spyro games before. But I decided to give it a go, and I’ve been thoroughly impressed.
The games have an awesome mix of exploration and collecting, with a fun range of enemies and puzzles. The boses can be tough at times, but the majority of goons can be killed in one hit as long as you use the right attack.
There’s a nice balance between the amount of collecting you *have* to do in order to finish the story vs the amount you can do if that’s your style of game. There’s then a selection of skill points and trophies for those that like an added challenge.
My biggest complaint is that when you fail a side mission, it gets completely reset. You could have collected 49/50 gears before falling down a hole, and they’ll make you have to do it all over again. And to make matters worse, it doesn’t save the intro speech so you have to fast tap through that over, and over and over… Thats probably how it was in the original games, but it feels outdated now. I would have preferred the option to Continue, Restart or Exit once you failed, just to speed things up and stop it getting repetitive and tedious for the more challenging levels that take several attempts.
Overall the game functioned fine and looked gorgeous compared to screenshots of the originals. I’ve definitely got my money worth – it’s just a shame there won’t be new ones.
And I’ve seen many complaints about only one game being on the disc. Once I popped the disc in it automatically downloaded the others and took no longer than a standard patch for a new game. It wasn’t locked to a downloads code so the game can be share/resold. I guess there’s a slightly concern of what happens in 20 years time when I want to replay it, but maybe it will be remastered again for the PS9?!
Fun to play even for adults. I haven’t play this games since first edition so is pretty amazing. Should be more games like this reborn to show kids they don’t need to be aggressive all the time or learn how to buy guns or whatever.what is wrong. This game actually shows what you can do at your spare time
Omg!!! This is a blast from the past and I absolutely LOVE it!!!! Bought it originally for my daughter as she loves dragons and I told her about spyro etc so we ordered it. She loves it and now where in lock down, after she’s done some school work, we play on this together for a couple of hours. A shame it’s only one player though, but still absolutely brilliant!!!!!!
Although it is not the original. It is an upgrade of it, and still as all the charm it once had. Updated graphics and original actor. Entertaining and wel with a purchase for any Spyro fan out there.
Brilliant ps4 game, the graphics are great! My 2 sons 11&6 both love this game, it’s easy to play and so much fun! I highly recommend buying this game for your children to play if your stuck on games to buy. You will not be disappointed!
Exactly what I expected; the original trilogy brought back to life in stunnging hd, if you were a fan of the original I’d highly recommend this collection!
Oh wow, a piece of my childhood! I purchased this for my daughter as I remembered playing it when I was young. We have spent hours together, collecting gems, finding dragons and carching thieves! I am not embarrassed to say that at almost 30, I have been spending my evenings sitting down to play this game. It has become addictive all over again. I love how they have remastered the game and the characters look amazing! Would definitely recommend to all!
Very cute. Great graphics. Storyline interesting also. My daughter likes it. But it does get a bit boring sometimes just wandering about breathing fire. Not sure she’ll finish it.
My 6 year old grandchild found it easy and addictive to play, she is always asking to play on the PS4 which previously she found too complicated with other games.
Spyro 2 was the very first game I played on PS1, so needless to say, I had to buy this for the nostalgia alone. The developers have done an excellent job of recapturing the charm of the original 3 games. Hours of entertainment for all ages.
I was stupidly excited to receive this. It came quickly and was very nicely packaged. It was brand new and still in its protective celophane. Looked exactly how you’d buy it from a shop. Very impressed.
Bought out my inner kid when playing it.
Bought this for my sisters birthday and she loved it and couldn’t stop playing. Very addictive game play for all ages but mostly for the ones who played this game on the older console.
Verdict-worth a buy 100%
I love this game!! I’d hoped they’d re-release this for so many years after spending a lot of time during my teenage years playing it. Between this and crash, the gamer in me is happy!
Ive grew up playing Spyro the dragon on the PlayStation. So when the remaster was announced I was over the moon and excited to jump back in to play this game and complete the original trilogy one last time.
When you Insert the disc you will have to download/install spyro 2 and 3, since only spyro the dragon is pre-loaded on the disc, now with that being said that isn’t a big issue so that wont be taken into consideration when im doing the star overall rating. But for people who hate going online or people who dont have WiFi (yes I know a few people who dont have wifi in there house) then it could be a issue.
Now onto the gameplay or more importantly the graphics! Now if your like me and grew up playing the originals, then you would know what the PS1 graphics were capable back in the day and what spyro was like in term of texture and quality. With the remaster they really out did themselves, the menu looks amazing, the game world is astonishing and even the guidebook is majestic.
When they made this game they build it from the ground up, meaning that started from fresh and didn’t use the original coding from the original trilogies. So each level was designed from scratch, and even the controls got a make over and they feel incredible. Especially with the camera angels being a major improvement, because we all know what they were like back in the day. They even brought the barrel role from spyro 1 into the other games, so now we can use that to our advantage on certain bosses from spyro 2 and 3.
Speedways are now more clearer to see, mainly to do with the render distance. So now we can see the whole map rendered and can see further images on screen off in the distance in focuses and clearer to make out.
Bonus levels like with hunter and sparks are also improved, although with hunter level they may need to do a slight update because on some levels in the speedways when you go to find hunter to do the bonus game you may find hunter to be slower then spyro, thus makes it hard on one level where you have hunter shooting bugler cats of buildings and spyro has to collect the money bags. Other then that the levels look brilliant.
Cutscenes have a bit more dialog and show a lot more then the originals did. This is mainly because the games back then could only have a certain amount of pixel on screen and how much memory was being used on the cutscene, so in the remastered they added more scenes to the cutscenes making them a bit longer, but much more enjoyable.
With any game there are faults, and upon playing I didn’t find any issues that made the game unplayable, but in some cases I did find some faults with glitches, but only spyro 3 had the most glitches and I mean the most, I might of found 2 or 3 with the first 2 games, but with spyro 3 it felt as if the developers rushed the last portion of the game. So hopefully they fix this in the near future.
The other issue I found was with Hunters character design. I Never like his design from Heroes Tail, and that what his design in the remastered game reminds me off, If they could redesign him like the old days then that would be a lot better, but taking inspiration from Heroes Tail is like saying the Legend of spyro hunters design was second choice.
Overall this game is amazing, had a lot of fun playing it and reminiscing of the old days, playing this as a kid and beating levels much easier then I remember then, but this might be down to the remaster and the controls that go with it, but overall its a game worth getting and its a game worth pacing down from generation to generation.
Perfect game, brings back childhood memories. Only major dislike is that to play the second and third games, you HAVE to download them to your console, as they are not on the disc itself.
Brings back fond memories of sliding the disc into my PlayStation 1 as an 8 year old. An exceptional remaster, the graphical revamp is fantastic and the sound is excellent. Highly recommended for those slightly-older gamers looking for a bit of nostalgia.
An amazing revamp of an old classic! Whether you were a fan of the originals or are trying this game out for the 1st time, I promise you wont be disappointed. 10/10!
I bought the Jak and Daxter remaster and I was not impressed, no graphical updates or anything else controls fixed a little bit. This is on a level with the Crash remaster, it keeps true to the franchise whilst accurately recreating the pure nostalgia of the older version of the games.
I played the original trilogy for days on end as a child, and this really does recapture that feeling. If you enjoyed the old Spyro games, you won’t be disappointed with this one bit.
A fantastic remake! As a huge fan of the three original Spyro games on the PS1 I couldn’t be happier with these remakes. The graphics are amazing! All of the environments and characters have recieved a colourful and beautiful revamp, while remaining faithful to the style of the originals. The gameplay is smooth, and much improved on the PS1 games. The games are so fun to play, and most importantly Spyro is absolutely adorable!
The three games do have to be downloaded individually, while connected to the internet, which is a slight pain, but it certainly doesn’t detract from the experience of these games. I highly recommend this product for, both, fans of the Spyro games since the PS1 days, and those who have never been introduced to the franchise.
I was so excited for this game to arrive and I wasn’t disappointed playing it! My childhood hero in HD! It arrived on time and in great condition! Very happy with my purchase!
Bought for my son he loves spyro plays it ofte
Purchased on March 11th 2022 directly from Amazon and fortunately it is the version with all 3 games on disc, not needing any mandatory download to play them all.
Besides running the disc to check it, this “complete” reprint can be differentiated from the “incomplete” one by the added Crash Team Racing insert and by the “2019” after the copyright symbol on the disc.
Arrived on time, in good condition. Many happy hours spent playing this. Quality was good overall and a good price
Brings back childhood memories, love this game (until my dog chewed it up…)
Fast delivery !! And brand new game all sealed up no issues
Great game….how many hours i spend on it is sinful!!!
When this released in 2018 , many fans were upset that only 1 game on the disc and you had to download the other two.
Luckily if you buy the game new nowadays , there’s a fair chance you’ll get a copy of the game with all 3 games on the Disc !!!
At some point in 2019 there was a reissue of the game , with all 3 games on the disc.
Unfortunately you probably won’t know which version until you open the box , because both versions use the exact same box art.
The older retail disc version will have 2018 printed on the disc. The newer one will have 2019 printed on the disc.
Regardless of which one you get , both come in the exactly the same box which has 2018 printed on it.
Another way to find out if not buying this online, is that the 2019 disc comes with a leaflet advertising Crash Bandicoot Racing inside the box too. So you might hear a piece of paper rattling around if you shake the box gently.
Also I have heard the 2019 discs definitely come in the Crash Racing and Spyro Trilogy double bundle pack box , which is quite hard to find right now.
I bought the Spyro Trilogy recently directly from Amazon brand new and was in luck and received a newer stock version which had the 2019 disc in it. When I installed the game , all 3 games were installed within half an hour of running the disc (36GB) and I was not prompted for a download of any kind on the PS4 console.
Hopefully most of the current stock in most video game retailers contain the 2019 disc version. Avoid the 2018 disc version if you want to void downloading th other two Spyro Games. Good luck if you find one.
Amazing remaster of the originals, very authentically done without changing any of the core mechanics. Whether you played the originals or not I would highly recommend.
I was so pleased when I heard they were going to re-release the Spyro trilogy. I bought this game before I got a PS4.
I now have a PS4 and I just love the game. Brilliant!
Brilliant remaster of the 3 classic Spyro games, with the added extras like skill points and trophies.
Don’t buy this product if your wife already has it. Apart from that great game for all ages and great to play on a Sunday with snacks.
This game is so adventurous and fun for my child I would definitely recommend
Played the originals when they came out. This was a trip down memory lane. Amazing game, they have been remastered brilliantly.
First of all, I haven’t played the original games, so there is nothing nostalgic about this review. The games are fun to play, look great and have interesting and funny characters in each one of them. However, some things could have been better. First real issue is those annoying flight levels. Bot only the controls are quite bad, you can’t change them, so the dragon handles like an airplane which makes sense from one point of view, but after you face the same in the water – you’ll learn to hate this part of the game. And if these controls don’t bother you, time limit you have on each such level will – sometimes you have less than a second left when you do the last thing on such level even when your flight was flawless. Then there are some bosses which are quite tough to beat and lack of checkpoints makes it not enjoyable part of the game too. One boss was so annoying that I haven’t finished the 2nd game (platinumed the 3rd one though). But overall all 3 games are nice despite the mentioned drawbacks.
Good fun only played first of the three so far though
Preordered as I was so excited to play this classic! Arrived on release day brand new wrapped and perfect condition! Soon as it arrived had it on and playing for hours! Well worth a buy if you love Spyro!
Apart from a minigame on a PS1 demo disc, I hadn’t played any of the Spyro games before. But I decided to give it a go, and I’ve been thoroughly impressed.
The games have an awesome mix of exploration and collecting, with a fun range of enemies and puzzles. The boses can be tough at times, but the majority of goons can be killed in one hit as long as you use the right attack.
There’s a nice balance between the amount of collecting you *have* to do in order to finish the story vs the amount you can do if that’s your style of game. There’s then a selection of skill points and trophies for those that like an added challenge.
My biggest complaint is that when you fail a side mission, it gets completely reset. You could have collected 49/50 gears before falling down a hole, and they’ll make you have to do it all over again. And to make matters worse, it doesn’t save the intro speech so you have to fast tap through that over, and over and over… Thats probably how it was in the original games, but it feels outdated now. I would have preferred the option to Continue, Restart or Exit once you failed, just to speed things up and stop it getting repetitive and tedious for the more challenging levels that take several attempts.
Overall the game functioned fine and looked gorgeous compared to screenshots of the originals. I’ve definitely got my money worth – it’s just a shame there won’t be new ones.
And I’ve seen many complaints about only one game being on the disc. Once I popped the disc in it automatically downloaded the others and took no longer than a standard patch for a new game. It wasn’t locked to a downloads code so the game can be share/resold. I guess there’s a slightly concern of what happens in 20 years time when I want to replay it, but maybe it will be remastered again for the PS9?!
Item arrived promptly and was as described. Price was as expected. Would recommend this seller.
Fun to play even for adults. I haven’t play this games since first edition so is pretty amazing. Should be more games like this reborn to show kids they don’t need to be aggressive all the time or learn how to buy guns or whatever.what is wrong. This game actually shows what you can do at your spare time
Omg!!! This is a blast from the past and I absolutely LOVE it!!!! Bought it originally for my daughter as she loves dragons and I told her about spyro etc so we ordered it. She loves it and now where in lock down, after she’s done some school work, we play on this together for a couple of hours. A shame it’s only one player though, but still absolutely brilliant!!!!!!
This product arrived very quickly and was of an excellent quality and presentation. I would recommend this buyer.
Although it is not the original. It is an upgrade of it, and still as all the charm it once had. Updated graphics and original actor. Entertaining and wel with a purchase for any Spyro fan out there.
Great game!! My 7 year old daughter loves it!! So do I!!! Definitely recommend!!
Kids loved it…..each ‘game’ is similar…..but still enjoyable
Great retro value for money game, shame that not all are on the disk but not the end of the world
Great game, got as a gift for my girlfriend and she loves it, well worth the buy.
Brilliant ps4 game, the graphics are great! My 2 sons 11&6 both love this game, it’s easy to play and so much fun! I highly recommend buying this game for your children to play if your stuck on games to buy. You will not be disappointed!
Exactly what I expected; the original trilogy brought back to life in stunnging hd, if you were a fan of the original I’d highly recommend this collection!
Oh wow, a piece of my childhood! I purchased this for my daughter as I remembered playing it when I was young. We have spent hours together, collecting gems, finding dragons and carching thieves! I am not embarrassed to say that at almost 30, I have been spending my evenings sitting down to play this game. It has become addictive all over again. I love how they have remastered the game and the characters look amazing! Would definitely recommend to all!
Very cute. Great graphics. Storyline interesting also. My daughter likes it. But it does get a bit boring sometimes just wandering about breathing fire. Not sure she’ll finish it.
Nostalgic fun but a lot easier and repetitive than what I remember as a kid. Enjoyable though.
My 6 year old grandchild found it easy and addictive to play, she is always asking to play on the PS4 which previously she found too complicated with other games.
Genuine PS4 game, love it hours of fun and enjoyment.
Easy to use and download. Just how I remember the game. Would recommend.
Takes you back to your youth of playing on an old console, enhanced graphics makes it look good
Was a great gift and enjoyed by all. Speedy postage and well wrapped.
I had forgotten just how brilliant this game was, I play it every day & never get bored.
Spyro 2 was the very first game I played on PS1, so needless to say, I had to buy this for the nostalgia alone. The developers have done an excellent job of recapturing the charm of the original 3 games. Hours of entertainment for all ages.
I was stupidly excited to receive this. It came quickly and was very nicely packaged. It was brand new and still in its protective celophane. Looked exactly how you’d buy it from a shop. Very impressed.
Bought out my inner kid when playing it.
Loads of fun! If you enjoyed Spyro on previous platforms you will love this.
Was so happy to play this with my son’s as I loved this as a kid, now they both love it too!
Great game!!
This game is great and brings back so many childhood memories, looks so beautiful now too
This was always a great game and the re boot looks and plays fantastic
Love this game, takes me back to the ps2 can’t stop playing it, excellent service came very quickly considering I live abroad. Really chuffed
Bought this for my sisters birthday and she loved it and couldn’t stop playing. Very addictive game play for all ages but mostly for the ones who played this game on the older console.
Verdict-worth a buy 100%
We played this years ago and so great to remember and try again, gr eat to see you again spyro!
Bought it for my sister’s birthday, she really likes i
If you know how good spyro is, you know you should stop reading reviews and just buy this game.
Great but of nostalgia for those who played the originals, just as good for first timers
This is so great, 3 games in 1 and they are all amazing games. Excellent value for money.
I love this game!! I’d hoped they’d re-release this for so many years after spending a lot of time during my teenage years playing it. Between this and crash, the gamer in me is happy!
Just as good as the original trilogy always was just with reworked graphics. Takes me back to my childhood
Just like I remember when I played it on playstation one.
Spyro Trillogy – great game – fun for all ages
Ive grew up playing Spyro the dragon on the PlayStation. So when the remaster was announced I was over the moon and excited to jump back in to play this game and complete the original trilogy one last time.
When you Insert the disc you will have to download/install spyro 2 and 3, since only spyro the dragon is pre-loaded on the disc, now with that being said that isn’t a big issue so that wont be taken into consideration when im doing the star overall rating. But for people who hate going online or people who dont have WiFi (yes I know a few people who dont have wifi in there house) then it could be a issue.
Now onto the gameplay or more importantly the graphics! Now if your like me and grew up playing the originals, then you would know what the PS1 graphics were capable back in the day and what spyro was like in term of texture and quality. With the remaster they really out did themselves, the menu looks amazing, the game world is astonishing and even the guidebook is majestic.
When they made this game they build it from the ground up, meaning that started from fresh and didn’t use the original coding from the original trilogies. So each level was designed from scratch, and even the controls got a make over and they feel incredible. Especially with the camera angels being a major improvement, because we all know what they were like back in the day. They even brought the barrel role from spyro 1 into the other games, so now we can use that to our advantage on certain bosses from spyro 2 and 3.
Speedways are now more clearer to see, mainly to do with the render distance. So now we can see the whole map rendered and can see further images on screen off in the distance in focuses and clearer to make out.
Bonus levels like with hunter and sparks are also improved, although with hunter level they may need to do a slight update because on some levels in the speedways when you go to find hunter to do the bonus game you may find hunter to be slower then spyro, thus makes it hard on one level where you have hunter shooting bugler cats of buildings and spyro has to collect the money bags. Other then that the levels look brilliant.
Cutscenes have a bit more dialog and show a lot more then the originals did. This is mainly because the games back then could only have a certain amount of pixel on screen and how much memory was being used on the cutscene, so in the remastered they added more scenes to the cutscenes making them a bit longer, but much more enjoyable.
With any game there are faults, and upon playing I didn’t find any issues that made the game unplayable, but in some cases I did find some faults with glitches, but only spyro 3 had the most glitches and I mean the most, I might of found 2 or 3 with the first 2 games, but with spyro 3 it felt as if the developers rushed the last portion of the game. So hopefully they fix this in the near future.
The other issue I found was with Hunters character design. I Never like his design from Heroes Tail, and that what his design in the remastered game reminds me off, If they could redesign him like the old days then that would be a lot better, but taking inspiration from Heroes Tail is like saying the Legend of spyro hunters design was second choice.
Overall this game is amazing, had a lot of fun playing it and reminiscing of the old days, playing this as a kid and beating levels much easier then I remember then, but this might be down to the remaster and the controls that go with it, but overall its a game worth getting and its a game worth pacing down from generation to generation.
Excellent, 3 Spyro’s in one for three times the fun. Awesome!
Brings back memories of playing this as a kid but still engaging when played as an adult.
Not too much to say, this game is exactly how I remember it and loved the details they added to the game.
Such nostalgia! They really done the game justice. Feels just like the originals only shinnie
great game kids loved it and it was challenging enough
This game is amazingly fun, loved every bit of it.
Perfect game, brings back childhood memories. Only major dislike is that to play the second and third games, you HAVE to download them to your console, as they are not on the disc itself.
Played it for a week and got bored with it. Pretty much the same thing I did with the original. Not a bad price for a gaming flashback.
Perfectly remastered. Plays exactly how I remember it and looks stunning. They did a fantastic job with this.
Brilliant game! Takes me back to my childhood but with fantastic new graphics! Fell straight back in love with it!
Brings back fond memories of sliding the disc into my PlayStation 1 as an 8 year old. An exceptional remaster, the graphical revamp is fantastic and the sound is excellent. Highly recommended for those slightly-older gamers looking for a bit of nostalgia.
An amazing revamp of an old classic! Whether you were a fan of the originals or are trying this game out for the 1st time, I promise you wont be disappointed. 10/10!
Always loved this game and it was great to play again. Graphics great. Wish I hadnt completed it so soon though.
Incredible games and remastered perfectly. Tons of fun and a great remake.
I bought the Jak and Daxter remaster and I was not impressed, no graphical updates or anything else controls fixed a little bit. This is on a level with the Crash remaster, it keeps true to the franchise whilst accurately recreating the pure nostalgia of the older version of the games.
Haven’t had so much fun playing a game in so long. This game has been lovingly created to improve on what was such a great trilogy. 100% reccomend!
I played the original trilogy for days on end as a child, and this really does recapture that feeling. If you enjoyed the old Spyro games, you won’t be disappointed with this one bit.
A fantastic remake! As a huge fan of the three original Spyro games on the PS1 I couldn’t be happier with these remakes. The graphics are amazing! All of the environments and characters have recieved a colourful and beautiful revamp, while remaining faithful to the style of the originals. The gameplay is smooth, and much improved on the PS1 games. The games are so fun to play, and most importantly Spyro is absolutely adorable!
The three games do have to be downloaded individually, while connected to the internet, which is a slight pain, but it certainly doesn’t detract from the experience of these games. I highly recommend this product for, both, fans of the Spyro games since the PS1 days, and those who have never been introduced to the franchise.
I was so excited for this game to arrive and I wasn’t disappointed playing it! My childhood hero in HD! It arrived on time and in great condition! Very happy with my purchase!
Don’t let some of the reviews put you
Off, absolute classic remastered really well. My girlfriend enjoys watching me play so a 5*