Helly Hansen Womens Jacket W Aden Long Coa
Dimensions: | 60 x 40 x 40 cm; 453.59 Grams |
Model: | 62648 |
Manufacture: | Helly Hansen |
Department: | Women's |
Department: | Women's |
Dimensions: | 60 x 40 x 40 cm; 453.59 Grams |
Model: | 62648 |
Manufacture: | Helly Hansen |
Department: | Women's |
Department: | Women's |
This coat is chic enough to wear on a rainy day in Paris, sturdy enough to wear hiking in the woods, and edgy enough to blend into the bar crowds at night. I have a collection of raincoats, but as soon as I got this one, the rest went into storage! I love this coat, and its been money very well spent.
I’ve been using it regularly through the rainy winter and spring (since December of 2019), and its held up really well. No leaks, and it looks brand new despite the fact that I have put it through the ringer. I honestly love to walk in the rain, and this has kept me cozy and dry. Its got a little bit of weight to it, so its perfect for those 40 to 70 degree rainy days…but any warmer than that and it starts getting a little hot in there.
I’m slender/average – 5’7″ with a 34′ bust and hip, and the medium fits me very well. Just roomy enough that I can wear a sweater or sweatshirt underneath, but also not too lose for the days when I’m just wearing a t-shirt. As others have said, the cuffs are pretty tight, but I don’t mind it!
The only con is the pockets. My jacket arrived with a small hole in one of the pockets- but the fleece was easily sewn up, and I haven’t had a problem since. Other than that, the pockets are kind of tight, but I can usually manage to fit in the following: Wallet, tampons, chapstick in the inside breast pocket; phone, airpods, sunglasses, keys in the hand pockets. The phone is kind of hard to get in and out, that’s the main downside. And there’s not much room left for your hands. One day I might pull out the fleece and extend the pockets a bit.
True to size. Comfortable and well made! Love the neck line with it zipped and snapped! Windy and cold today standing outside but comfortably warm in this jacket! Highly recommend! Not bulky!
I had to size up three sizes!! I normally wear a petite XL as I’m pleasantly plump 5’2″. I read so many reviews stating to size up at least one size and I almost got the XXL but there was one review that convinced me that I needed to size up to a XXXL. I even went to the HH website and based on my measurements and age and height, they recommended an XL. There is no way I could have fit into an XL in this coat or an XXL. I’ve never in my life worn anything close to and XXXL size but let me tell you, if you are a size 16-20, have a matronly figure and carry your weight around your stomach and hips, you will need the 3X. This coat is a bit longer on me, hitting just below my knee but it looks great and I have enough room to layer. I was concerned that the white would make me look too large but it really doesn’t. It looks stylish and very tasteful.
The fabric is silky soft and very flexible and not bulky at all. The zippers are of good quality. Both the front and the pockets have zippers. I feel like I got a good deal on this coat and I highly recommend.
muy buena prenda para los dias de lluvia y frescos de la primavera
Una prenda de calidad. La he usado practicando ski con mal tiempo y responde perfectamente a mis espectativas. Repele el agua 100%. No deja pasar el aire y muy transpirable. Eso si, hay que ponerse una capa primaloft debajo ya que contra el fro no es la prenda ms adecuada. Muy cmoda, gran libertad de movimientos y la largura, al no ser muy estrecha da para moverse sin problemas. Es la nica prenda que me he comprado y el largo de las mangas va acorde con mis brazos, perfecta! Puo estrecho con 2 clics, se me hizo un poco incmodo usar con guantes ya que no me daba el puo para ponerlo por fuera y al ponerlo por dentro del guante me resultaba algo incmodo. Para vestir, es perfecto el puo.
Si le tengo que sacar alguna pega….creo que le falta un bolsillo en la manga para meter forfait.
Me encanta la parka, estoy muy satisfecha con la compra.
Great coat, not only for rainy days but as a spring coat .
so glad i bought this earlier this year, have worn it practically every day during recent storms and wet weather, including during a long walk on the east coast headland during heavy rain and gusty winds. high quality and windproof, water just runs off the material. the fit is snug if wearing several layers and a scarf, but it is roomy enough, and pockets are deep enough to keep hands protected from the elements too.
An no he podido usarla en lluvia pero la calidad de la tela se siente excelente. Ped la talla S y creo que est un poquito grande, pero est bien. El paquete lleg super rpido.
Love this jacket. Super lightweight but still keeps u warm!
Encantada. Funciona genial como impermeable y cortaviento. Es como una segunda capa, ya que no tiene forro interior de abrigo.
El diseo me encanta. Sienta muy bien y entalla un poco en la cintura, por lo que se puede usar tambin para vestir.
Talla normal. Escoger la talla habitual. Yo mido 165cm y peso 60kg y escog la M.
No le pongo las 5 estrellas porque pens que el interior iba a ser acolchado y me iba a servir para climas fros, pero por lo dems, la recomiendo absolutamente.
Great gift! She really liked it. Perfect for college freshman.
This jacket is great ! A wee bit narrow fitting for a large .. but waterproof , warm , comfy and the white lols great !!
I love this jacket. I bought it 2 1/2 years ago for a trip to Scotland in November. It kept me warm and cozy (sometimes with a fleece jacket underneath) in cold weather and dry during heavy rain in the Highlands. It can be folded up and put in a small backpack (mine is 15L). It also is breathable – I never got too warm in it in 40 and 50 F weather. I wore it home a lot and then again this past May when I went to Ireland. I’m about to go to Paris, where it has been unusually warm for February. I had planned to take my long down coat, but this will be perfect for this trip, as it looks like it will rain a lot.
I noticed that someone said in a review that the jacket was not waterproof. All I know is that when I was in Oban in northern Scotland and it was raining cats and dogs (so to speak) with strong winds coming off the sea, and I had to walk from my B&B near the edge of town into the center to find a restaurant for dinner, and later back, it kept me dry under conditions that would soak an all-weather coat or even my water-resistant winter down coat.
In addition to protection from rain and sleet, having it zip well above the neck and having a hood means that one can stay reasonably dry when it’s too windy or otherwise difficult to manage an umbrella. OK, it was a lot more fashionable looking in dry weather (even in an XXL) when one does not need the hood or to be zipped up all the way (lots of possibilities with a scarf), but it was good to know that I could be fully protected from wind and rain if I needed it.
Hh non pu deludere, un capo da indossare in ogni occasione, linea dritta, vestibilit normale. Tiene caldo e protegge veramente da freddo e pioggia.. Peccato che i colori sono limitati altrimenti l avrei preso anche in altri colori, io l ho in nero.
Love this jacket! Fits perfectly! I’m 5 foot 8, 128lbs. I bought a medium. I love the extra warmth around the neck, I wish the entire jacket was insulated.
It’s great quality and is perfect for rain.
Awesome for the English Winter work commute. I walk to and from work most days – an hour/ hour and a half and even when it was raining, got home and discovered the outside of the jacket was wet but I was dry on the inside. I wear my goose feather jacket underneath this jacket for warmth – looks good and smart for Canary Wharf and warm and rain proof for the weather.
I was looking for a light weight breathable rain jacket for walking my dog and running errands in mild weather. It runs small so I had to reorder a size up. But I an totally pleased. One important feature is that it hits below the hips leaving your rear high and dry no matter which way the rain is blowing.
Great for standing on the sidelines at wet rugby training
Finally found a waterproof raincoat that would stand up to barn chores in the rain! I read about a zillion reviews before buying this coat. I’m so happy with it. It’s lightweight, actually waterproof, has zipped pockets, and the hood is the right size to keep my head dry. Plus, I like the fit. It’s long enough to keep water off of my bum (or down my pants when bending over) and is tapered at the waist.
The only thing that should make this raincoat incredible would be pockets inside the lining and a slightly longer brim on the hood.
The length is perfect, it is light the arms are a good length and the hood is practical, keeps my glasses dry.
Love love love this coat. It’s stylish and lightweight but really protects you from the elements. Highly recommend.
My daughter recevied this jacket for Christmas! She loves it and it fits exactly
Ike it’s supposed to! So very happy with this purchase!
Great fit, very comfortable to wear and does the job. Quite true to size with XL being a smallish 16.
arrivato nei tempi previsti, prodotto conforme alla foto, vestibilit eccellente e anche per essere un impermeabile caldo
Es justo lo que andaba buscando: un chubasquero simple, de calidad, para cuando no haga mucho frio (no est forrado, solo lleva una telita delgada dentro), que haga buena figura y de largo por encima de la rodilla. Y este es perfecto.
Los puos los puedes regular y la capucha no es desmontable pero se puede plegar dentro del cuello. Tiene 3 bolsillos: 2 exteriores y uno interior (bastante grande, cabe el movil de sobras), y los 3 con cremallera.
De talla, como la mayoria de marcas nrdicas, son generosas: mido 1,57, peso 45 kg y suelo usar la XS. Esta me va bien, tirando a holgada de cuerpo y me queda unos 4 dedos por encima de la rodilla. Si dudas entre 2 tallas, tira para abajo que creo que te ira mejor.
Excellente tanchit, excellent coupe vent
Fonctionnelle, travaillant en extrieur Plusieurs fois dans la journe mme les jours de pluie, efficacit garantie et au sec!
Fits great. It’s hard to find decent outerwear that’s larger than XL. Great quality, too.
I am very happy with this jacket. It’s quite lightweight but I have plenty of technical clothing to layer up and keep warm. I am a size 12 and I bought a size 12. Whilst it doesn’t look too big and baggy when I have very little on underneath, it is equally big enough to accommodate all my layering. I am finding it to be thoroughly waterproof. The hood is a generous size, but still, when I have my hair up it’s not quite large enough so its either take my hair down or risk getting wet sleeve cuffs because I am pulling the hood cap as far forward as I can and inviting rain to run down my wrists. Nevertheless its the biggest hood I’ve come across. Mine is navy blue and it looks smart.
The main downside is that to retain the waterproofness after a machine wash, you need to dry it in a dryer. I don’t have a dryer so I’m wiping off any dirt when I get home, whereas in the past I’d just bung it in the washing machine.
Arrived as described. Works well, fits nicely, exactly what I was looking for.
Love length of coat. Keep water off my bottom! Stylish fit. Inside pocket could be a little larger for phone and better on outside of jacket as with winter weight version. I have two of the winter weight versions of this coat. (Belfast) They get a great deal of hammer as I’m a dog walker. Purchased summer weight one as so pleased with winter primaloft version that I bought two of the colour. Smart coat and reluctant to spoil it with mud etc but that’s what it was bought for. Wash well and great value.
This jacket delivers exactly what it said it would. I got a small even though I have pretty wide shoulders for a woman, and I can still comfortably wear long sleeve shirt and a fleece jacket underneath this coat. Plus, it looks super stylish because it’s not too fitted or too loose. The length hits right at my mid-thigh, so it looks cute with high knee rain boots. I received compliments the first day that I wore it. Also, the fabric feels like cotton/poly but it is so much more. If you want a raincoat that does not feel or smell like those plastic coats, then this is the one. It feels like a high-quality coat but keeps you dry and warm from the wind and rain.
Fit is accurate to size, nice jacket I would buy agai
Really Happy with my new coat ! Great in the wind a rain. Keeps me warm and dry. Easy to wash
This is the second HH waterproof coat I have tried, the first XL was much too small the second 2x was a monster.
I think you need a better size description.
Exactly what I was looking for. Very attractive jacket o
I love this jacket! It works so well and kept the rain off of me. The hood is awesome.
Love this raincoat. It ruins small so order 1 or 2 sizes larger.
Bonito abrigo. Sobre la talla, hay que pedir lo que usan abiertamente…
I love this coat! I got it for a trip to rainy Ireland in late September and it was perfect. It’s truly waterproof but light so that you can layer underneath – or not. The attached hood is great for a light drizzle or to keep the rain from going down your neck in a hard rain where an umbrella doesn’t help much. The high collar keeps wind and rain out and the overall design of the coat is stylish.
Normal trage ich L , hier ist es aber XL, rmel und Lnge top, rcken gengend armfreiheit, Qualitt gut, tailliert, guter Schni
Gorgeous … exact fit… I’m 120 lbs and 5’3 …small is perfect …. cheaper then sport check or any other online sport shop
Love this longer length shell jacket. Was looking for something waterproof to do the school run that wasn’t dowdy looking and that’s what I got. Very happy with it and got it for a good price. Pockets are not very deep though so phone does get in the way, good job the pockets are zipped. Overall a good purchase and good product.
Like the straight forward cut . Length is nicely below the knee. No unnecessary frills. Looks sharp.
Parka genial para entretiempo. No esta acolchada, mas bien un chubasquero. es bastante amplio por arriba, la zona de las mangas especialmente, lo que te permite meter llevar lago abrigado por debajo. Llovi bastante durante los primeros das de estreno, y puedo confirmar que no filtro nada de agua.
Item is great Helly Hansen quality. Length of jacket is longer so it keeps you dry when seated. No lining insulation so a great jacket with a sweater underneath. Would purchase again.
Love this jacket!
Nice spring shell, washes nice, looks great. Fit as excepted.
I have other HH jackets that are more fitted and shorter. I wanted a longer waterproof jacket with room to layer underneath. This is the perfect jacket. Not fitted, roomy in size and sleeves are long even for me. Generally I am a 10-12 and I am 5’9″ so I ordered the Large. I am quite happy because I want to put sweaters, turtlenecks and vests under it. If I had not wanted to layer then a Medium probably would have worked well.
Finally got to wear this in driving rain, and it performed well! Actually waterproof, hood was protective, comfortable. So glad I got it!
I was glad to get rain and wind proof jacket… traveled to Iceland and if you ever go there between November – March, you need IT!!! It’s a must… the only thing that I had issue with this jacket was sleeve opening ( I guess my hand was too big for it opening and you couldn’t adjust it, so I had to squeeze my hands out and in… it got anoing after a while.
Awesome raincoat. Wore one for years when I did a lot of traveling. Wonderful gea
Love love love. Keeps out rain, wind and no sticky icky feel after wearing. Just runs small -order up at least one size. Leaves room for sweater or sweatshirt.
This is a very nice jacket. It looks and feels quality. Very lightweight. Worth the money.
Giacca perfetta, veste bene, attenzione per chi ha i fianchi un po’ larghi come i miei perch scende dritta, io ho preso una taglia in pi del solito, mi sta leggermente grande nelle spalle!
calda, ottima da indossare quando piove e tira vento!!!
Purchased as a waterproof jacket for Iceland and it has now become my go to jacketfoe daily use. I usually wear a small 4-6, but ordered a medium due to other reviews . The fit is perfect. I am 5 ft tall and the jacket hits me at the knee which is exactly what I wanted for full coverage in the rain. It is lightweight so you can layer over or under it for added warmth. I love it .
This is a very attractive coat and fits well (sized up as other reviewers recommended). I am hoping for lots of rain and will take it on an upcoming trip to Dublin.
I sized up to fit other coats/sweater under it. I purchased a Large and it’s perfec
Love it, had a hard time finding this size in the stores. It is cut small for large breasted women so go a size up.
Wearing it gives me a feel-good factor. Very well finished, with great attention to detail. The hood is especially well-designed – the best I’ve come across.
Beautiful, fits well. I get many compliments when this is worn.
Love this coat, came exactly as described.
I usually wear a 2x but bought 1 size higher & it fits perfect with a little room to move especially if I have a sweater underneath. I only have two complaints. I have a small head & the hoodie barely fits me, so an average or large head can forget about it, it is just an accessory, the other is the two ziippers, why? It takes me 10 minutes to struggle to get them aligned in order to zip up.
I ordered this jacket for a trip to Iceland in October. I looked around a lot and tried on many – this jacket is perfect. The quality of the jacket is very good, the sizing is perfect. The jacket is contoured at the waist and perfect length – highly recommend.
Excellent lightweight coat. It looks good on and is perfect for days out and in case of showers. It has zip up pockets and soft collar. It washes easily and you tumble dry it to get the waterproof quality back which is brilliant. The quality is perfect and I have been so pleased with this jacket I bought another with warm lining for winte
Highest quality jacket…looked great all over Italy! Love wearing it. True to size.
Another amazing Amazon find! Very snappy looking. Plus it is trim AND comfortable.
It’s a Helly Hansen! Of course it’s wonderful. Excellent product! I own two (one rain, one insulated) and bought this for a birding friend who reported her new jacket almost got as much attention as the Red-Shouldered Hawk!
Excellent quality. If wearing a thick sweater, one might want to go a size larger. Love i
This is my second Helly Hansen rain coat. I also have it in black. I absolutely love the way it fits and how it zips up around the neck. I am 5’4, 124 lbs and the small fits perfectly.
I am pleased with this jacket, as described. The zip on this jacket doesn’t seem so strong as my other Helly Hensen Jackets. That why I have given it 4 stars.
Great jackets, quite light would not recommend for winter of late fall, unless you will be wearing another layer under it. Fully waterproof, nice fitting.
Great jacket for Seattle rain, light and breathable for bus rides home.
Love everything about this jacket, except the HH on sleeve which limits wear to casual/sporty vs pulling off for more formal rainy events
It’s ok. It was good value. Now it is cold I wish I had chosen something cosier but it will serve when it is hot as well, and unlike other more expensive jackets it is cut to fit layers underneath.
Just perfect for a rainy day.. May need to layer up underneath if a cold day.
Lovely jacket I bought size 16 so that I can add a layer underneath when it gets colder. Very waterproof keeps you dry.
Very nice coat, fits well, i bought size S according to the size chart and it fits perfectly and leaves also some room for fleece to wear underneath.It looks and feels nice and comfortable.
I took on a trip to Ireland – where it rained everyday. The length was perfect and it kept me dry and warm. I love this coat!
Check your measurements as per the size guide. I did that and decided as a size 14-16, I was an XL. The XL allows some space for another layer underneath, Like a fleece or jumper. It is rainproof, and not just shower proof as a lot of the cheap macs in supermarkets are. Good hood also. I didn’t even bother putting my umbrella up when walking in the rain.
I love everything about this jacket except it runs small.
Awesome coat. As others have said, sizing runs small. I have the same coat with winter lining, so glad to have a lighter version, yet keeping the longer length.
Love the style and fit of this jacket. The room and length of this jacket made it so comfortable to move around in. Used on a trip to Alaska and it packed nicely and I wore it quite often. Waterproof, A++ So glad I purchased it.
Like except collar does not lay down with hood rolled inside.
I absolutely love this jacket! The breathable, waterproof fabric is soft to the touch and not crinkly, crackly. Workmanship is very nice. The cut is flattering and not too boxy. It is soft enough and pretty enough to wear as an all weather jacket and does not look like a typical rain jacket…nothing rubbery or plastic. Because comments with height and weight are much more helpful when I’m looking at reviews I’ll share that I am 5’4″, 135 pounds. I usually wear a medium top, but sometimes large depending on the cut, size 6 pants. It took a bit to figure out, first ordering in both medium and large to see what fit best, because of comments saying it runs a bit small for USA sizing, and though the medium was wearable it felt a bit snug across the shoulders and bust. I like my outer layer to be looser so I kept the large and it fits perfectly with some room for layering. The length is great for my height, longer than a regular jacket, more like a parka length or fingertip length. I could not be happier. I can’t speak to the functionality yet since I have not worn it, or tried it out in the rain, but will update this post when I do.
I ordered the Aden in an XL, because all of the reviews said the fit was “true to size” or even a big roomy … but much to my dismay, it turned out to be very snug around the waist and a bit tight through the shoulders 🙁 (Note: I tried it on with a medium-weight sweatshirt underneath, since that’s how I’d be wearing it.) I’m exchanging it for the next size up, so I’m hoping that one fits!
Also, it’s described as being very lightweight, but I don’t think it really is — I have another HH raincoat that’s MUCH lighter than this one, and I was hoping this would be about the same weight. It’s certainly not a heavy raincoat, but not super-lightweight, either. And it’s quite a bit more “stiff” than my other HH raincot, which is very flexible.
Haven’t taken it for a test drive in the rain yet, so the jury’s still out on that 😀
Love, Love it! But ridiculously small sizing. These days sizing is all over the board and I find it extremely frustrating. I normally wear between and XL and 1X. I ordered HH in both. Neither fit. It is unbelievable- after trying a 2X which did not fit I was a bit reluctant but ordered a 3X!! Come on! It fit with enough room for a light sweater. I haven’t gained weight and my other orders of XL and 1X fit fine. I have no idea if this helps but I would order one to two sizes up. I had the same experience with the HH Marstrand Jacket. I love both and kept them but am still amazed.
I bought this for a recent trip to London and have worn it a lot since. I’m 5’4″, range from 135-140lbs, have slightly broader than average shoulders and tend to carry my weight in my hips and thighs. Based on the other reviews I bought a large and I’m glad I did. While I think the medium would have fit just fine, the large provides more flexibility for layers underneath (I’ve worn a cotton sweater, puffer vest, and haven’t felt constrained). And even though it’s slightly loose when I’m just wearing light layers it still sits nicely and is slimming. It’s a great spring/fall commuter jacket. I’ve had lots of compliments. But most importantly, it’s functional. The zipper pockets mean nothing falls out, I didn’t get all sweaty when hiking in it, I stayed bone dry in a deluge, and it’s really good at blocking the wind too – all things I’d expect from a company founded on making sailing apparel. It’s nice to see Helly Hanson isn’t making ‘street wear’ that’s doesn’t shield you from the elements like some other brands. Keep up the good work!
Bought for daughter to travel abroad. Perfect! I now use it too!
Lightweight, but long – good rain protection. Went on a long boat trip in rough waters and it kept me dry.
I bought the shell for an upcoming trip to Ireland. This is exactly what I needed. The fit in generous enough to fit a fleece or vest under it. I like the longer length. I’ve worn it during some nasty weather. It kept me dry. Can’t go wrong with HH products.
This jacket has exceeded my expectations. It is completely waterproof, comfortable and stylish. A triple winner!
True to size. Worn on holiday in Iceland (perfect) and great for English weather too, length is great, it looks nice, flattering shape. Would highly recommend. Good price too!
I’m 5′ 7″ 115lbs got the medium and I LOVE it!
Love this coat but had to return the first one for a larger size. I like my outer wear roomy to fit over sweaters and such. I wear size 14 and was not satisfied with the fit of the XLarge. XXLarge has the fit that I want.
I bought this for a trip this summer to Scotland. I’ve worn it once to test it out and it’s perfect. Fits nice, superb quality and most importantly kept the rain off. I will buy Helly Hansen again!
The jacket arrived very fast – thank you amazon. It was a little larger than I had expected I have another HH jacket in the same size this could be down to the fact that it is not padded but this is no bad thing as I can wear a bulky jumper underneath and not feel confined. it is also very stylish without compromising on functionality We recently had severe rainfall so I decided to try out the jacket .By god is it waterproof. Nothing was getting inside it. After 3 hours in the pouring rain I was bone dry inside. This Jacket is perfect- light enough to pack or wear if travelling and wear with fleece inside and is completely waterproof. It gets top marks from me. HH is an excellent brand.
This is a fantastic jacket for my size 16-ish body. The 2XL fit my 46″ bust and 46″ hips with enough room for layering, but not so much room that the coat feels sloppy. It’s nicely tailored so that it doesn’t look like you’re wearing a tent.
The perfect light weight rain jacket. Runs true to size. I originally got the medium after reading reviews that it runs small. Too big! Exchanged for small and it is perfect to wear alone or with a sweater. I am 5’5″ and medium build. It’s the perfect length.
Love this jacket, it’s great quality, the right length with all the little details you want like nice side pockets, extra phone pocket, large hood, excellent zipper. Totally waterproof.
Bought it for my wife. She’s 5’4″ and approximately 120 pounds. She has a medium which she can wear with just the jacket or with layers. This jacket is well made and not that cheap windbreaker look. Very professional looking.
This jacket functioned well as a windproof, waterproof shell over 3 layers during recent winter trip to Scotland. Admittedly, it didn’t have to face any wild rainstorm or blizzard. I am 5’8″, medium weight, ordered a Large. It is slimline, flattering, perfect body & arm length & armhole width. You could fit a chunky sweater under this. The material is lightweight, supple, matte & non-noisy. The hood & collar area fit perfectly. Hood rolls under well but does not look too ‘bumpy’ worn unrolled beneath long hair. Was looking for a 3 in1, but didn’t want to pay the price so did it myself, wearing Uniqlo ultra light down underneath. This is my 2nd Helly Hansen via Amazon, needed smaller size this year as lost weight. Now am seeing more people wearing Helly Hansen – price point? fashionable again?
I got a large so I can wear a sweater or down vest underneath. (There is not much of a lining) I am 5’4″ and weight 135#. It’s very comfortable and not snug at all. I had tried the Aden long in a medium but it was a bit snug maybe because it has a much heavier lining.
The jacket comes just above my knees. I have worn it all weekend in light rain and stayed dry. It’s very well made with a two way zipper and snap closure (an earlier version had Velcro to hold the flap on front). High collar and hood that can be secured when using are both positives!